March 6, 2003


Posted by Arcane Gazebo at March 6, 2003 2:46 PM By way of Plastic I just found this poll result suggesting that American voters would elect "an unnamed Democrat" over Bush. They declined to say whether Unnamed Democrat could be found next to Arch Stanton. In any case, I hope they find him soon, because if closet Republican Joe Lieberman is the Named Democrat (as the rest of the poll suggests), I don't see Bush's defeat being likely.

I didn't post an entry yesterday because my writing was devoted to a bitter and pointless Plastic discussion. The discussion was nominally on Nicholas Kristof's editorial in the NY Times regarding mockery of religious beliefs in the media. Now, my initial contributions were to say that there's nothing special about religious beliefs; one should avoid mocking any kind of belief since this carries with it mockery of the believer, and this isn't really a terrific argumentative tactic.

However, I resisted my better judgement and responded to a post elsewhere in the discussion that claimed that (a) Einstein was religious (in fact he was agnostic) and we should consider his opinions on religion to be authoritative, and (b) great scientific discoveries are impossible without a religious mindset. After a exchanging a couple posts it became evident that this guy has an intellectual blindspot you could drive a truck through; any questions I asked him were met with essentially "Since I have faith I don't need to examine my beliefs". Faith is not a "Get out of thinking free" card! To me having faith in something suggests that you believe it could stand up to scrutiny, so I don't understand this avoidance of examining any potential flaws. Anyway, it soon became evident that we were talking past each other, and it left a bad taste in my mouth. Tags:

but darling....

didn't you know that god likes whales? If we could all love eachother, then we can see that the big bang proves that jesus died for our sins.

what would jesus drive?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 11, 2003 9:04 PM

Re: but darling....

"God likes whales" is sadly a step up from this guy in terms of intellectual scrutiny. Given the question I posed, though, the equivalent answer would have been "God likes uneducated Westerners [better than other people]" which would not have gone over well.

As for "what would Jesus drive", this question was also debated on Plastic. By far the most memorable response came from a fundamentalist Xian that was on the site at the time (different guy, and actually a lot sharper than my recent opponent). He basically asserted that Jesus would drive some ostentatiously expensive car (I can't remember what in particular, but it was like a gold-plated Rolls Royce or something). He had Bible verses to back it up too! I am, however, inclined to concede the point to my brother and the Anonymous Idiot, who independently remarked that he'd drive a Christ-ler.

Actually, I would not be at all surprised to see a long-haired religious nutcase on the BART, so maybe he'd use the mass transit option.

Posted by: Arcane Gazebo | March 11, 2003 9:42 PM
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